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In the Darwinian egosystem of rock 'n' roll, survival depends on musical instincts, and they don't come any keener than those of The Verve Pipe. Since the early 90's, this formidable alliance of alpha males has thrived by making music their way, with two indie and two RCA albums to their credit. Some observers have had trouble categorizing The Verve Pipe's music, mostly because the band itself has steadfastly refused to be pinned down. However, fans have long understood what The Verve Pipe is all about: great songs performed from the heart. That same prescription holds true on UNDERNEATH, the band's new RCA album, and their most upbeat to date. Produced by Adam Schlesinger (Fountains of Wayne, Ivy), UNDERNEATH marks the latest step in the band's personal evolut More... (Submit New The Verve Pipe Lyrics) (Submit New The Verve Pipe Lyrics) Let's hash this out. | Reviewer: Cassben ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe This is how I see it. Two guys, two girls. Guy 1 knocked up his/some girl and pushed for an abortion to avoid marriage and still feels guilty/horrible about it. His best friend now: The guilt that cripples and surrounds him concerning girl#2 -- his girlfriend is two-fold. Clearly girl#2 was a mess. She had many emotional issues that were ignored or made light of and she eventually committed suicide. He feels guilty because he did not help her, or maybe did not see her problems or concerns as so terrible. He wished that he had "saved" or "fixed" (a la Coldplay) her. He was useless. What also bugs him is that although he took a week off to mourn/forget her,in all that time he could no bring himself to cry to express grief. He spent that time angry at her -- resentful, instead. Sometimes I think it is not that he took a week off to mourn her, but that he took some time off their relationship -- sorta broke up with her and that drove the messed up girl to kill herself. Either way his guilt stms from not helping her and from being more angry at her for commiting suicide than sorry she was gone at the time. Yes, they were both young and immature at the time of these events but the events still haunt them and the residual guilt and fear of messing up again affects their ability to have lasting,loving, deeply satisfying and highly connected relationships. These are their demons and they never really or deeply talk about how these events still hurt them, though they suspect they are each suffering because of how they treated these past girlfriends. Maybe even when they do talk about the girls, they use the same blame shifting language they did when they were "freshmen". They blame the girls: "Why did she make me want her? Why did she make me fall for her? Why is she still ruining my life?! It's not my fault!" Okay. Could be the same girl. The guy#1 -- the guy singing don't seem to have been so into the girl he convinced to have an abortion. Still, why he was afraid he's have to marry her doesn't gel unless of some devout beliefs or familial pressure. And since she rarely took advice but gave in to an abortion, she could be the same messed up girl who commited suicide. She didn't handle guilt well -- emotionally frail. Why? Her guy, guy #2 said they should spend time apart (and see other people? he-he) and so she hooked up with guy #1 during the vacation? Nahhh. It takes longer than that to know/think you are pregnant. And guy#1 does not seem guilty over sleeping ith his best friend's girl. The separate girls make sense. Interesting | Reviewer: Mags ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe I believe this song is about how stupid, naive and ignorant we all can be when we are young ... the guy got his girlfriend pregnant and asked her to get an abortion so he wouldn't have to marry her ... he felt it wasn't his fault (like most teenager boys) cuz she was acting sexy and she fell in love with ... in her guilt of the situation she killed herself and now he feels guilty ... and the effects of the whole thing is now affecting his adult life and can't keep a relationship ... But it's interesting cuz i have a friend who believes it's about date rape ... it has always amazed that 2 people can listen to the same song and get two totally different meanings ... very interesting ... the power of the written word ... always been a favorite | Reviewer: mink09 ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe I remember when I was about 8 and I heard this song for the first time and I absolutley loved it. And here I am 10 years later I listen to it just about everyday and think about what it means to me, and everytime I find a new hidden meaning to it. This is a truly beautiful song. such a special song | Reviewer: simbella ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe I have loved this song for many moons since I heard it first around 98, 99. It's good to hear from the band about what the song really means, and it's interesting to hear other's interpretations, prior to reading this I thought there there was a girl who they both loved and lost. Having also lost someone near and dear to me to suicide, I think this song struck a chord with me I didn't fully understand until now. Thanks for such a special song. Keep up the awesome work. The true meaning behind the song | Reviewer: Matt ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe Before they made it big, they were "freshmen" in the music industry; they had an adoring groupie who slept with band members. she became emotionally attached to a band member, wanted a more serious relationship. the guy told her basically he wasn't interested in anything more than a "friendly" relationship. she became depressed, and killed herself. the song has nothing to do with being pregnant, or abortions. From the band themselves... | Reviewer: msk ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe Before they made it big, i.e., "freshmen" in the music industry, they had a groupie who slept with band members, lead them on thinking that she was important to them. she became attached to a band member, wanted a more serious relationship, the guy told her basically he wasn't interested in anything more than a "friendly" relationship. she became depressed, and killed herself. the song has nothing to do with being pregnant, or abortions. Wow. | Reviewer: kittyandSALM ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe This song is an apology. It is about two male friends. #1 is dating a girl, and they are going to get married, but then she sleeps with guy #2 and breaks up with guy #1 without telling guy #1 about guy #2. She kills herself when he goes "on vacation," and he leaves because he suspects something. So, because she is dead, they are guilty for different reasons. #1 because he left her, and even if she did him wrong he still cared about her, and #2 because he knows what he did and the real reason she killed herself was because she majorly betrayed #1. #2 never actually confesses what he did, and this song is the apology. @ | Reviewer: KNIGGS ------ About the song freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe i think everybody needs to just stay out of everybodys business just because you dont think abortion is right other people might and if you happen to get into that situation you do what you belive is right fanatic | Reviewer: Anonymous ------ About the song Never Let You Down performed by The Verve Pipe I am absolutely positively in love with this song. It was recommended on a play list tor one of my most favorate books "new moon" by Stephenie Meyer. If you love the song like me you'll love the book( you must read the first book though to really understand what it going on- Twilight). What this is about? | Reviewer: D TRAIN 45 ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe You all are right about the girl getting pregnant, but you are missing one thing. The girl felt guilty and comitted suicide. The song says "His girl took a week's worth of valium and slept". Valiums are sleeping pills and since she took a weeks worth of them she overdosed and died. Its not wrong | Reviewer: Anonymous ------ About the song freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe It is sick that people might make there friends regret there decisions. There are babies born every day and they suffer until the day that they die wishing that they had never been born. If your against it dont do it but dont go against someone who is going to do it Meaning of Lyrics | Reviewer: Ramsey ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe This song is about a guys best friend getting his best friend's girlfriend pregnant. He thought he knew everything and couldn't do anything wrong. The girl is a girl that has no worries, and believes that nothing bad can happen to her as well. She was enjoying what was being done at the time so thats why the guy continued with making love to her. He feels bad because he kept doing it even though he knew it was the wrong thing to do. He cant be held responsible because she acted like she wanted to do it just as much as he did. Plus she was in love with him more than he was in love with her. They didn't think anything bad would happen to them, but it caught up with them when the abortion happened and it haunts them all. The best friend feels terrible and needs to get away from what he did (vacation). The girl overdoses on pills because she is depressed and really regrets that she did this with her boyfriends best friend because she really was in love with her boyfriend. They try to wash it away but they cant because they have now realized the huge mistake they actually made. I think that when they refer to themselves as freshmen it just refers to them being young and immature and not knowing what's right and what's wrong. They say they can't be held responsible because they both know that they are in at least one way responsible for what has happened. That is what I believe these lyrics mean. different view | Reviewer: CB ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe I think the songs about a guy who got his best friend's girlfriend pregnant. She confessed to her boyfriend and he left her (vacation). She commits suicide because she loved her boyfriend. Now both men pretend to be friends but deep down inside they both blame one another, which is why they both can't compromise. "We fell through the ice when we tried not to slip, we'd say" means they still talk but they both end up fighting every time they talk because they blame one another. The Ironic part is the part where they say they can't be held responsible because they both know they are responsible. They try to blame her saying that its her fault for falling in love. "We've tried to wash our hands of all of this, We never talk of our lack in relationships, And how we're guilt stricken sobbin' with our heads on the floor" means they both can't wash the guilt away. The lack in relationships parts means they are telling one another that the previous experience isn't hindering future relationships but they both still sob because the guilt is still there. The point about being a freshmen is saying that they were young and stupid with the evidence of never being able to compromise. When we are young we tend to think we are always right making it hard to "compromise". this song is about... | Reviewer: john ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe this song is about to guys who raped and killed a girl. the one took a vacation to forget her. they dumped her in a river. they keep saying they cant be held responsible and they are trying to talk themselves into believes the victim liked it because she was touching her face. now that the two have raped and killed (and disposed) of the victim, they are guilt stricken and crying. i looooove this song | Reviewer: terricota pie ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe song is about a guy that got his girlfriend pregnant, tried to forgot with a vication and she ODed on valium... wow the first time i heard this song i never knew it was about this. regardless, its an amazing song Responsible | Reviewer: Trishla ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe i love this song soooo much... my day doesn't go by if i don't listen to it... the first times i heard it i was in tears... but i couldn't stop litening to it.... i just listened to it over and over again. it's about this guy who got this girlfriend pregnant and now he having problems admitting it... its so sad but so hopefull at the same time... i fell like the girl soo much at times... feel like taking over dose of valium and sleeping forever.... if anyone wants to talk just emial me at trishla916@hotmail.com thank you love this This beautiful song hits so close to home..... | Reviewer: Brittany Johnson ------ About the song the freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe This song is extremely difficult to listen to... My first love T----- and I's relationship was/is eerily similiar to this. A couple months ago, I thought I was pregnant, thankfully I wasn't, and a month or so later I ended up in the hospital for a month because of some family issues and because I wanted to kill myself. Well, when I was in the hospital my parent's found out about us having sex and it all went bad from there. He wouldn't speak to me....his parent's thought I was the school slut (WHICH WAS NOT TRUE!). Anyway, our relationship pretty much ended...I loved him and still love him so much, I would give my life for him. I was/am so hurt. He told me that one day he would marry me. He seemed to take no blame for anything...I tried to fix things between us...but I guess it wasn't in his agenda. He is currently dating my fraternal twin sister...it's really hard to see them together, and I can't see myself with anyone else....I feel like a part of me is missing. Can anyone identify? If so please email me: nunquam_congruo@hotmail.com I dont think its the same song | Reviewer: J ------ About the song la la performed by The Verve Pipe I have this La La song and I've never heard them say that before so the lyrics arnt messed up that i know of. I dont think it is the same song unless everything else is the same then I dont know. touching | Reviewer: Me ------ About the song freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe this song is a very touching song and deals with a very strong issue....although contrversial it deals with the aftermath of such a tremendous life altering acton. Its not about the whole abortoin issue its about the effects it has on people and how fucked life can get.....that is the beauty of music though although a sad topic one can read whatever they want into it and apply it to their own lives To Alena | Reviewer: Mary ------ About the song freshmen performed by The Verve Pipe Abortion in it's self is SELFISH, that why the song is awsome because it shows not only how bad the lead singer feels for this...but the fact that the girlfriend who killed her baby and now wants to commit sucide...women who want to have an abortion don't realise the hell they are putting themselves through...the depression the desire for death...it takes a toll on you....emotionally and physically...That baby could have been a great singer too or president but we will never know.... -Mary You could review the artist/band The Verve Pipe in Biography page You could review The Verve Pipe album by visiting Albums page and selecting an album You could review The Verve Pipe song by clicking the song which you like | | ||||||||||
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