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By Pages:   1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    Add Your New Review About The Song The Reviews about Yahweh (page 5/ 8) ------ performed by U2 Take Your Lies, And False-to-God-Trash Going Nowhere... | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/25/08 It is IMPOSSIBLE that you are a Jehovah's Witness: Again, those of us who ARE * KNOW * what we worship and KNOW what the basic belief scriptural STANDARDS ARE. Your writing PROVES that you meet NEITHER ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA. "And YOU people will again certainly see [the distinction] between a righteous one and a wicked one, between one serving God and one who has not served him.” (Malachi 3:18) So, indeed - you have NO SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY in this arena whatsoever; and no scriptural right to fight and malign either this God, or myself as one of his scriptural servants. (Jehovah/Yahweh, to his own-named loyal servants) - "Any weapon whatever that will be formed against you will have no success, and any tongue at all that will rise up against you in the judgment you will condemn. This is the hereditary possession of the servants of Jehovah, and their righteousness is from me,” is the utterance of Jehovah." (Isaiah 54:17) No - for your DECEPTION, for your SLANDER (WITH ADDITIONAL SLANDER IN YOUR LATEST POST!!!!!!), for your FALSE ACCUSATIONS - ALL OF THEM INJUSTICES, PRODUCTS OF REBELLION AGAINST THIS GOD - currently, by known scriptural terms, YOU ARE NOWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF BEING A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS; and your latest attempt at even FALSELY suggesting that you are one MUST BE EXPOSED AND CONDEMNED AS BEING YET ANOTHER DECEPTIVE FALSENESS ON YOUR PART, AGAIN. There is MUCH spiritual jealousy that classically comes from those wanting the "clout" of being considered spiritually wise, but who DO NOT WANT TO TAKE A STAND for scriptural truth (including OBEYING its ways of JUSTICE rather than conveniently slandering people, teaching/recommending convenient spiritual LIES, etc.) And finally, do note your final(?) FAILED CHEAP-SHOT at making an entirely presumptuous personal cutting remark (ENTIRELY HYPOCRITICAL to your trumped-up charge of labeling my words as name-calling): You had to cut-down my occupation and condemn my ability/performance therein (ascertaining that "know-all" insight from a line on my profile)???????? TRULY, YOU DID LOSE IN YOUR EFFORTS TO FIGHT THIS GOD JEHOVAH/ YAHWEH'S TRUTH and SPIRIT; but really.....did you have to become such a "poor sport loser" that - in a move typical of the UNJUST, who lose their "argument", to "attack the speaker" - you felt compelled to make such a ridiculous remark??? Wow - in a pathetic way, that is slightly entertaining of you, but it is also very sad. And again, that is a show of DISHONESTY - a feigning; another FALSE, maligning accusation. (Again, reassurance from God to his TRUE worshipers) - "This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for YOU, but, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength" (2Thessalonians 1:6-9) Evidently, by scriptural STANDARDS, you stand to lose your life (permanently) at Armageddon soon. However, you ARE also SPREADING DEATHFUL (come Armageddon) SPIRITUAL LIES to others, publically. You've tried to BLOCK the way to Jehovah/ Yahweh's lifesaving truth; and you have UNJUSTLY (and WITHOUT authority) tried to discourage/ SILENCE someone - who HAS Authorization from heaven to do so - from TELLING IT. You have a LOT of heavy-duty SPIRITUAL CRIMINALITY to answer to this VERY REAL God for. Whether YOU "believe" in him or not will not matter on the Day that all fighters against God have to "meet him." If you have wisely ascertained that "Descartes" and "Aquinas", etc. etc. ARE NO MATCH to the POWER of THIS God and his truth; I suggest that you simply, honestly, and humbly - as a start - admit that to yourself, rather than flailing about with any more, "Oh I think I'll publically berate the job skills of a total online stranger that I know nothing of". Please, truly: GET REAL. (See i.e., Acts 3:19; And you would need to hurry with that.) I WILL NOT STOP WITH THE WARNING WORK I DO - against the FALSE RELIGIOUS LIES AND BLASPHEMY BEING MASS-MEDIA-WORKED BY U2 and their FERVENT IDOLATER FAN-FALSE RELIGIONISTS (including atheists/ spiritists). I will do that, one way or another; just like myself and the rest of the 6.5 million TRUE worshipers of this God do GLOBALLY - against EVERY TYPE of FALSE religion, every SPIRITUAL LIE. It is done, by God's will, TO HELP PEOPLE "get right" before Armageddon comes, to get rid of all people who stubbornly fight God rather than LISTENING to him so as to learn righteousness. Indeed, a new U2 album is due out March 9. About the time of the release of HTDAAB - with the song "Yahweh" on it (which U2 USED BLASPHEMOUSLY, to the EXTREME, before MILLIONS of people) in early December 2004, minion-types at zootopia.u2.com saw that I was run off the board, banned. The name "Yahweh" was, essentially, stolen, heisted, and then FILTHIFIED/ BLASPHEMED - by U2, BUT ALSO, BY THEIR FERVENT, God rebellious "FANS", "FANS" WHICH PUBLICALLY DISPLAYED (to their own great shame) THAT THEY WOULD STOP AT NOTHING - INTENSELY ABUSIVE SLANDER, DEMONISTICALLY CORRUPT LIES AND DECEPTION - to defend "U2" and the FALSE religions/ spiritual modes that they have become rock and roll poster boys for. A new album is coming out soon.....Hmmmmmmmm... But then again, so is Armageddon coming, soon. Yawn... | Reviewer: Steve | 12/23/08 Teresa1, you assume much. First that I am a U2 fan and second, that I am NOT a Jahovah's Witness. You have no evidence of either. And when I said that you espoused, or "held to" a.k.a "believed in", Catholicism and Trinitarianism, this was by your admission and not some falsehood I bore out. I can only be slanderous in that perspective if I were to be negatively assumptive of your character, believing that your participation in either was done without truth or sincerity. I'd rather think that at the time, you believed in what you were doing. That, or, you were an unwilling participant - such as is the case for young children made to go to church with their parents. Further, your retort to my stating that this forum is for reviewing music is completely non sequitur...again! And as for religion today evolving from polytheism, one has but to pick up a history book to see this. Yahweh doesn't even exist in the minds of men until thousands of years after his first gods had been created. Most of the Old Testiment, by the way, is a blend of several notions of different gods. That includes cultural traditions as well even to include the Babylonians, which are dispised by Yahweh. Consider reading the epic of Gilgamesh followed directly by the reading of Noah's Arc. You should be shocked not only by their similary, but moreso by the almost certain plagurism of at least two chapters...nearing word-for-word inclusion. Indeed, Yahweh isn't even the first god of monotheism! Teresa1, I would again recommend that you change your tone (NOT tune) as it directly undermines your stated goal of speaking truth to those who really seek it. Yelling and name-calling are merely too reminicent of a child having a tantrum. Mature adults are inclined to mature discussion. No need to respond, Teresa1. I've endulged your lunacy long enough to derive whatever entertainment value as could be had from your discourse. I doubt I'll be back. I think most, by now, have certainly re-cataloged their estimation of both Jehovah's Witnesses...and 'culinary artists'. I think though, before they do so, it should considered that any group can have a wingnut. Cheers Re: Example of "the MORALS of Atheists" | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/22/08 Your request: "Finally, if you make accusations about the morals of atheists, please provide cites and examples so that it doesn't look like you are simply name-calling." Here's an EXAMPLE - YOUR OWN WORDS, IMMORAL FOR THEIR INJUSTICE, their BASELESS SLANDER: "Going through your ranting deluge of posts, I can't help but notice the number of religions you've espoused...from Trinitarian, Catholic, etc. to Jehovah's Witness. "I think perhaps the rest of the readers, given your love of U2, will appreciate it when I say that it seems obvious that you simply "Still Haven't Found What You're Looking For"." Let's examine/expose what you yourself have written. "Ranting deluge of posts". Are you a READER or NOT? The posts you claim to have read are much shorter than the works of philosophers you are recommending that others read. So then, WHY haven't you referred to THOSE authors works - their opinions - as "RANTING DELUGES" of material? "Ranting deluges" is quite the negative cut-down. So why did you say it? I know why, from the context of the rest of your writing - you said it because you someone with hate towards God's words. It was prophesied that would be the attitude of the bulk-mass of people before Armageddon. But there's more. First off, though, do you have serious reading problem / attention span/ comprehension issues??? (I understand that's POSSIBLE, despite your smooth speech employing large words for your criticisms of God Almighty while name-dropping "Darwin", Catholic philosophers, and Descartes.) If you do have some serious reading-comprehension problems, that would give you at least some excuse for what follows next, otherwise, it is INTENTIONAL, IMMORAL SLANDER: "...I can't help but notice the number of religions you've espoused...from Trinitarian, Catholic, etc. to Jehovah's Witness." Strongly, REPEATEDLY, and CONSISTENTLY I have WARNED #AGAINST# the anti-scriptural, unacceptable-to-God (by his own standards), teaching-of-demon-influenced, spiritism and injustice-practicing, bloodguilt bearing FALSE RELIGIOUS NATURE of Catholicism, trinity-godhead worship, and all other of the anti-scriptural, God-condemned FALSE RELIGIONS of the world (Satan's global empire of ALL FALSE RELIGIONS: "Babylon the Great). So, again, I NEVER "espoused" (recommended, promoted, etc.) the FALSE religions of Catholicism or other triune godhead-worshiping religions, as you charged. DID YOU KNOW THE MEANING of the word "espoused", do you have serious reading-comprehension problems, or were you just manipulatively LYING with intent to DECEIVE readers and so SLANDER me and what I speak of??? Though it is POSSIBLE that you have serious reading-comprehension problems and also did not know what the word "espoused" means; given the "elite"-worded "smooth speech" of REST of your writing, with its work of ripping-down scriptural thoughts and even the Creator himself; IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, the SERIOUS FALSE CHARGES YOU HAVE MADE WERE INTENDED PUBLIC SLANDER, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMMORAL. And, indeed, does this not BLARE deceptive MALINTENT, built-and aimed-for by your previous words? "I think perhaps the rest of the readers, given your love of U2, will appreciate it when I say that it seems obvious that you simply "Still Haven't Found What You're Looking For". " IF you really do have serious reading- comprehension problems; the above is STILL EXTREMELY FALSE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE SERIOUS READING-COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS; the above CITATIONS from YOU ARE INTENTIONAL PUBLIC SLANDER. Evidence from the rest of writing indicates that this IS the case - that you have chosen to slander. Slander, FYI, Steve, IS IMMORAL. The "standards" of atheism do nothing to counteract immorality and injustice, though, do they. That is because atheism truly is a self-first, self-centered, animalistic mode of thinking which has no standards of justice or morality. To an atheist, "there is no God" to be ACCOUNTABLE for such things to, is there. Maybe it will help you to see another problem in what you've written. I've seen this before, plenty of times, from fervent U2 "fans"/ IDOLATERS defending mass-media-ed false religious teachings from U2/ Bono AND "FANS" - and ripping down discipling/WARNING words from God himself to do so - It is a purposely mal-intented DECEPTION and/ or a psychotic, grandiose illusion. Either way, or altogether, the following, written by you, attempts to FALSELY PORTRAY THAT YOU SURELY HAVE THE BACKING OF ALL OTHER READERS - the "crowd", "the MOB-MAJORITY", the BULK-MASS, etc., with their supposed "weight" and therefore authority and PERMISSION to SPEAK FOR "EVERYONE ELSE" IN THE CARELESS FALSEHOOD/ but, MUCH MORE LIKELY, AS EVIDENT, THE INTENTION PUBLIC SLANDER YOU HERE PUT FORTH, AS DEGRADATION of everything I've written and stand for: "I think perhaps the rest of the readers, given your love of U2, will appreciate it when I say that it seems obvious that you simply "Still Haven't Found What You're Looking For". Do you REALLY "think its obvious", as you NAME-DROP "U2" to give your FALSEHOOD and/ or SLANDER "power" that "perhaps THE REST OF THE READERS" "appreciate" YOUR FALSE CHARGES, which are are ALMOST CERTAINLY PURPOSED, PUBLIC, IMMORAL SLANDER????????? YOU SHOULDN'T INSULT PEOPLE LIKE THAT. If you HAVE serious reading-comprehension problems, you can work on them; but do not assume that others have that much trouble reading and understanding clearly repeated concepts. But, more than likely, as evident, that is NOT your problem; but, rather, it is a MORAL PROBLEM - of the sort that neither atheism nor false religion effectively checks. Are you familiar with the Coldplay line from "Clocks", which asks "Am I part of the cure, OR AM I PART OF THE DISEASE"?? Our world - human society - is in a STATE OF RUIN, FILLED WITH INJUSTICE. It is also, at the same time, DOMINATED by those WHO ARE NOT "LISTENING" to Divine instructions as to what is true, and HOW TO LIVE. Whereas some people - a quickly dwindling amount - have not yet had a chance to learn of God's truth, wisdom, and promises; many have, and have chosen to rebel against them. So, do you get the correlation, between the majority of mankind NOT LISTENING to God, and THE RUINED STATE OF THE WORLD???? As an individual then, IS CHOOSING to fight God, fight his words, and fight the spread of his scriptural words and wisdom "PART OF THE CURE" or "PART OF THE DISEASE"????????????? Scriptural education from Jehovah/ Yahweh - which is now very global, just in time for these "critical times, hard to deal with" before Armageddon - is a big "PART OF THE CURE", and is NOT (like FALSE religions/ FALSE "Christianity") "part of the disease." What about you now, Steve? You really don't want to remain part of that "disease", do you? You've got a lot of learning to do; and have a lot of misconceptions to clear up (especially with assuming that Jehovah's people, his Witnesses, are in the same lot with the rest of the world's FALSE [whole Scripture-defying] religions - we are NOT, but warn others against staying with those entities/ in those modes). However, you can do it, and YOU NEED TO. Also, if you re-read, you will find, overall, that my posts relate WHOLLY to the subjects of the songs at hand. They are NOT "lite", but neither is the subject matter of these songs - or the effect that they've had on MILLIONS. As I wrote elsewhere, I truly feel, that through this mass-media-ed music, spiritually, Bono and U2 have STOLEN some "SHEEP" from Jehovah [Yahweh]. "WE'RE STEALING THEM BACK." Steve - If Possible, Demand a Tuition and/ or Book REFUND | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/21/08 Looking at your last post AGAIN, I am also now wondering at and worrying for your "world view." How is it possible that you are thinking that mankind is currently worshiping only ONE God? They are NOT. Currently, humans are worshiping technically millions of gods. They have different natures, histories, requirements for worship, purposes, standards, and offer very different futures and rewards to their adherents. As far as the now Bono-famed "Jesus, Jew, Muhummad, its true...all sons of Abraham" chant-teaching goes; again, NOT ONE OF THOSE SO-CLAIMED "monotheistic" religions there represented - NOT apostate [Christ-disobedient, fake] "Christianity"; neither modern Judiasm; and neither Islam worships the God of Abraham on His own terms of worship, as Abraham (in great contrast) loyally did - so NO ONE still of those religions is a "son of Abraham" in the way that matters, which IS spiritually. No one currently of those major false religions of the world worships the ONLY TRUE God, whose name alone is Jehovah/ Yahweh. Instead, most persons claiming to be of those so-called "monotheistic" religions worship self-styled sub-division gods of those three-to-six gods - on their own personal terms of worship that they agree to offer to those gods as convenient. "Religious evolution will be complete", as you put it, after "all the inhabited earth" (Matthew 24:14) has had their opportunity to hear scriptural words of truth from their Maker, both regarding "the good news" of his heaven-based global kingdom government of peace and justice that will be run by his Son and will soon encompass the earth; AND his own scriptural JUDGMENT-WARNING messages (also brought by his faithful servants to their fellow human beings) of things which God has already condemned as evil (according to his Bible), which he says are "deserving of death", and which he will soon be executing most of humanity to permanent death for refusing to heed and obey. Then after this God, Jehovah-Yahweh, soon intervenes to cause the destruction of Satan's entire world empire of all FALSE religions - aka, "Babylon the Great"; then he will act to bring every last vestige of the instigator of all FALSE religions holdings-control in this world (Satan) to an end, along with all stubborn-though-warned opposers of the Only True God and his rightful spiritual SOVEREIGNTY. That will be Armageddon itself. It will, basically, leave only God-obedient, honest-hearted, justice-and-righteousness-loving true worshipers of the Only True God alive in its wake. All God-hated FALSE religion/ FALSE "spirituality" - including ingrateful-to-one's-own Maker atheism will be eliminated from the earth; and will have been basically rooted out of the hearts of all those left here via their having accepted Divine education and training from God's own words and spirit. Yes, that will be "religious evolution", indeed. All of God's sentient beings will have learned a universal, precedent-setting lesson once and for for all time: Jehovah-Yahweh is, rightfully, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and all of his thinking creatures rightly belong serving him alone exclusively as God - calling on his own, distinguishing, most holy, personal name "with spirit and truth" (John 4:24) - OBEYING HIM. Re: "Steve" | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/21/08 "As it is, if you want to persuade anyone of anything, you will not get anywhere with your current approach. You are simply making your self feel better...at the expense of your perceived mental facility." How CORRUPT, and UNTRUE. My "current approach" is STRONG, isn't it. It does NOT aquiesce to common falsehood and lack-of-scriptural-knowledge DOUBTS, does it. That is because what I have written is based on scriptural TRUTH - wisdom from a Source infinitely higher than what you recommend as "alternatives" to wholly-purposed life-or-death WARNING words from your Creator/ Life-Giver. You have recommend words of mere men OVER purposed commands and principles from the Creator. THAT IS IDOLATRY, worship of THE CREATION - MEN, with their ideas - "rather than the one who created". (Romans 1:25) That is the case, whether you claim to be godless or not. Again, what I've written - as a true, scripturally described, messenger-servant of THIS GOD named Jehovah/Yahweh is based on the Divine Authority of his words and spirit. Neither you, the other recent atheism -promoting "anonymous" poster, or any of the FALSE "Christians" are even worshipers of this God, according to his own scriptural terms. That means none of you who have stepped up to FIGHT this God, his scriptural truth and his messengers even "KNOW" this God (OR UNDERSTAND his scriptural truth). As far as YOUR CLAIM that "my current approach" is not persuading "anyone", KNOW THIS: What I've written, based on God's own words, NOT watered-down, but IN NEEDED STRENGTH, firmness, and boldness for this kind of situation MIGHT NOT EVER MOVE ANY DISHONEST, HARD-CORE REBEL AGAINST GOD to self-admit where their thinking is WRONG and open up their mind and heart to what is obvious spiritual reality. But these posts really aren't even mainly for the unrighteously-ingratefully stubborn against God, who prefer reveling in their own self-goddedness, who love and would rather promote the little world of their own limited thoughts and those of other rebels against God - which facilitate the now so-common modus operandi of SELF-DESIRE FIRST IDOLATRY. No, there may never be a "helping" of that sort of person - but coddling them, trying to appease unrighteous deceivers by any agreement to what is false, for the sake of false spiritual "peace" with them is out of the question. So, these posts are mainly for the sake of the relatively few honest-hearted seekers of God's life-saving, life-benefitting scriptural truth left. Again, how extremely FALSE it is to FEIGN a birds-eye, worthily knowledgable view of this situation, and pass a "godlike" judgment on the "effectiveness" of my writing. You, for neither "knowing" this God or UNDERSTANDING his truth whatsoever, plus FIGHTING my telling of his messages with HIS AUTHORITY are certainly thoroughly, thoroughly UNQUALIFIED AT ALL TO DO SO. Further, as TYPICAL of fighters against God, you have offered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of TRUE spiritual, scriptural, Authoritative, life-saving worth - NOTHING but prophesied "empty speech" to try to rip-down and shut out a righteous one from telling others what is vital truth from God. You are NOT the first U2 "fan" that has tried to work the same - indeed there has been quite the HUGE PROBLEM of such U2/ Bono/ U2-fan-related, mass-media-assisted FALSE SPIRITUAL TEACHING/ idolatry-promotion and CASUAL BLASPHEMY of God's holy name while ripping-down critical SCRIPTURAL messages over the past seven years. Again, though, despite your falsely-"knowing" "claim" over the "effectiveness" of the writing I've done, one meant to discourage its strength; I am happy to know that "views" of what I've written on this subject - of very errorsome, mass-media-ed Bono/U2/fervant U2 idolater-false religionist teachings - numbered into the hundreds of thousands on different music message boards combined, and that was a long time ago now. Jehovah/Yahweh PROMISES that the work we do for him, teaching others his life-saving scriptural truth - and, especially, defending HIS NAME from the polluting false religious/spiritual lies that the world wants to blasphemously attach to his name - IS NOT IN VAIN. That means, that in all likelihood, these messages (in different places, over 7 years now) have served as a witness to at least some (more) of the relatively few honest-hearted persons that there are left in this world, and, in particular, some of the MANY PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN ATTRACTED TO WHAT HAS BECOME THE PSEUDO-"scriptural"[bits-of-Scripture-mixed-with deadly man-made philosophy]-SPIRITUALITY of Bono and U2 (and fervently idolatrous "fans" of theirs, including priests, reverends, and "pastors" who PREACH "the gospel according to U2", etc. to their otherwise rightly restless "flocks"; and who also WRITE BOOKS and give traveling speeches on the great "spiritual examples" of Bono and U2.) Say - have any of you atheists been to one of the many "U2 Eucharist" "worship services" held in churches of Christendom?? They're all the rage among many [FALSE] "Christian" fans!!! Is not Bono so much more exciting of a spiritual exemplar to FALSE "Christians" than their non-relatable three-headed mystery-version Jesus Christ? Reading Comprehension Problems or just Intention to Malign? | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/20/08 The previous post of "Steve" charges that I "espoused" (defended, promoted, recommended) Catholicism and Trinitarianism. How could a person HONESTLY come to that conclusion at all??? My posts CLEARLY DID THE OPPOSITE of what "Steve" charged. Certainly, it must be clear that I'm I Jehovah's Witness, nothing else - and I even spoke repeatedly of LEAVING the Catholic Church, and wrote much REPUDIATING the anti-scriptural-though-so-popular/ pagan "trinity" doctrine. WHAT DOES SEEM LIKE THE REAL, TOTAL INTENTION HERE OF ONE BADLY MALIGNING "Steve" (along with other false, hypocritical charges against me) can be found in this, though: "Steve", above, pronounced to the world that I (theresa1) "haven't found what I'm looking for", spiritually. Well, Steve, your words, though "big", have FAILED to produce righteousness - they've produced see-through-SLANDER instead. That sort of INJUSTICE is a common by-product of denying and fighting words of truth from one's own Maker. In contrast, Jehovah/ Yahweh's words of Divine wisdom train people who LISTEN to them to exercise JUSTICE. There is no reason to falsely charge firm, scripturally-based words in needed, life-saving strength as being "hatemongering" either. Indeed, UNLIKE the majority of typical false religionists, those TRUE to this God named Yahweh/ Jehovah DO NOT SELL-OUT / AQUIESCE HIS TRUTH to "PLEASE"/ persuade the masses. One Distinct Name, One Distinct TRUE Religion | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/21/08 What amazingly DISHONEST "reasoning" - including BLIND-FAITH repetition of the spiritual conclusions of other mere men (who agree "there is no God"); and UNJUST behavior - such as slander - FALSE "intellectualism" produces. Notice the eager and bold UNJUST MIMICKING of one God-fighter's FALSE, unfounded charge done by another: For responding with strong, firm words, my posts were pronounced "bickering" by first one atheism defender and then another. The second one complained of "name-calling". Yet, in attempted illusion of offering a "better way" argument on a higher ground of FALSE intellectualism , both atheism-defending parties well-indulged themselves in unfounded hostility (hate) and slander. What makes a spiritual conclusion VALID anyway? That it is taught by those with power (among men) and/ or money or in instituations backed by such "power" and money? Is that so IMPRESSIONABLE to some that they are willing TO PUT BLIND FAITH in what they are told by those parties regarding "God" and spirituality? If so, do not such persons demonstrate that they are willing to blindly worship a "spirit" of "money" and power (among men) - and especially so if those teachings give them moral "freedom" to do AS THEY DESIRE, for their DENIAL of and REBELLION towards obligation and accountability to God. Or is POPularity of a spiritual conclusion the measure of its worth???? Has not the bulk-mass of the world pleased itself well that way then? Do not men bow to each other over the "creativity" and brushed-up appearance/ packaging of their many FALSE REASONINGS over why there isn't a God they have to obey or feel accountable to - whether those persons are atheists or (falsely-named) "born-again" religionists????? Again, all REBELS AGAINST Jehovah/ Yahweh, AGAINST OBEYING his commands and principles - whether they are atheists OR FALSE religionists - FORM A LARGE, BULK-MASS CROWD MAJORITY OF ONE AGAINST HIM. Just as the technically millions of FALSE religions of the world have uncountable numbers of "beliefs"/ tenets; so do atheists have their pet reasonings of other men - and there is nothing to stop either the FALSE religionist or atheists from coming up with NEW things to believe/ like/ put "faith" in, on the fly. They can even spend an afternoon (or life) making up a whole new set of, yes, circular reasonings based on any wanted fantasy. And the more those ideas "promise" people FALSE "freedom" from obligation and accountability to God, the more beloved they are, correct? The better they SELL, isn't that right? And isn't it that the closer to the truth that A LIE is (or in cases of bits of truth being craftfully mixed with lies) that DECEPTIVE power is strongest???? Is that not the manipulative playground of FALSE "intellectualism"??? Certainly, it is the manipulative playground of demons; and what calls people to that playground is the CANDY of considering that maybe they don't have to OBEY God after all - maybe they find tasty, attractive new "excuses" to chew on/ lick all day. Poison spiritual candy to produce spiritual inebriation - its what the bulk mass-blob majority of mankind wants, buys, sells, and sucks on. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$< For instance - whoever sold you the LIE that religion started out as "polytheism"???? (That may have had a fancy wrapper, but the candy inside is hardened, tainted manure.) Think: WHY would the Creator, whose physical universal DESIGNS often reflect intense orderliness, want there to be CHAOS and CONFLICT coming towards him as "worship" from the human family he created? Secondarily, would not that chaos and conflict over "purpose in life", etc. create chaos and conflict among people - couldn't the designer of atoms, human cells, and instinct-possessing birds, etc. foresee that trouble, which could ruin his purposes for creating human kind? Why would ANYONE want conflicting ideas about themself and their purposes to proliferate - why wouldn't anyone not want JUST TRUTH to be spread about them? Further, why would anyone whose STANDARD is NOT truth be trustable for anything - would they not be given, then, to deception, unrighteousness, corruption, and injustice? But, the Creator WISELY DOES HAVE TRUTH AS HIS STANDARD, and ALWAYS HAS. It is NOT TRUE that religion started out as "polytheism". It STARTED OUT WITH JEHOVAH/ YAHWEH, as THE ONLY TRUE GOD-CREATOR-UNIVERSAL SOVEREIGN teaching man a body of TRUTH about Himself, including what his nature, purposes, and standards (commands, principles, requirements for humans) are. That ONE God-given TRUTH ABOUT THE ONE CREATOR-GOD for humans to learn, relate to their Maker by, and live in accordance with was THE ORIGINAL RELIGION. It contained no lies. IT WAS A JEALOUS, FALSE-PRIDED, grandiose spirit being (someone who started out as a good creation of God, but who abused their free-will to wrongfully attempt - as a CREATED being - to usurp the position and authority of the One who created them) that introduced the FIRST FALSE RELIGION - the first divergence from spiritual truth and pure worship - to humankind. That being was Satan. His original FALSE religion WAS BASED ON SLANDER of the Creator and exaltation of himself with his LIES. One of his core lies was that humans did not need to rely on the One who made them for their guidance and lives. Satan taught them that they would be just fine rebelling against the authority of their Maker; and THAT GOD WAS LYING when he warned humans that they would DIE if they decided to disobey Him. But, Jehovah-Yahweh maintains a righteous and wise STANDARD OF DIVINE JUSTICE, and DOES NOT LIE. "It is IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE." Therefore, the first humans, who willfully chose the new FALSE RELIGION offered to them by Satan, received the just penalty that the non-lying God SAID they would: Death. Mankind has suffered from the results of that first FALSE religion with its false god (Satan) since that time. What is more, Satan and his following of other God-rebellious/slanderous spirit beings have worked since "the fall" in Eden to CREATE, PROLIFERATE, and support MANY FALSE gODS and sets of spiritual LIES to accompany them - many FALSE religions - including for individuals to worship THEMSELVES and, ultimately, Satan, for following his lead in God-rebellion (and for that, any LIE that diverts away from pure, true worship will do). So, originally, there WAS ONLY ONE GOD, who HAS THIS UNIQUELY-IDENTIFYING NAME, JEHOVAH-YAHWEH. HE STILL IS the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, with this unique name. He had ONE body of truth about himself and his purposes. HE STILL HAS ONLY ONE body of TRUTH about himself and his purposes, though he added to it, as conveyed by his purposely written and preserved record in the Holy Scriptures. Why would anyone think that religion started off as polytheism rather than pure worship of the One Creator-God on his own terms? As the Bible states, after "the fall" in Eden (after humans turned away from God to try living independently from his rule, and God withdrew much of his protection) demonic followers of Satan came down to earth to interact with mankind. Their corrupting effect produced large-scale wickedness and violence on this earth; so much that God felt it necessary to "clean it up" (and that he did, justly preserving the only righteous souls there wereleft, numbering eight persons out of all mankind then alive). After the Flood, Babel in the area of Mesopotamia became the center of civilization - and FALSE worship. By demon influence, again, FALSE religions/ spiritual lies sprung up and proliferated there. When Jehovah-Yahweh saw that persons gathered there were not going to obey him and spread out over the earth - and were going to defy him as they saw fit, including by practicing various demon-inspired idolatries against his face - he acted to disperse them. He caused them to lose their one common language, and to speak in different ones, so that their one common language would fail to facilitate group efforts of rebellion. As persons left that "cradle of civilization"/ false religious epicenter to spread off over the earth then; besides bringing different languages with them, they carried spiritual lies shared in Babylon with them too, which, again, explains why religions from different parts of the world have beliefs in common. So there is your post-Deluvian start of polytheism. However, demons did not stop influencing and adding to the anti-Jehovah-Yahweh, destructive FALSE religious LIES and practices of this world. Again, as right before the Flood, the earth and society on it has become ALL BUT RUINED due to the INJUSTICES that have been produced by religious and spiritual LIES (including the LIE that there is no Creator owed gratitude, thanks, reverence, and OBEDIENCE). Again, the earth is filled with VIOLENCE. Again, the thoughts of much of mankind are "bad", "all the time." The sum-total of GOD-REBELLION, FALSE religion PLUS atheism, has brought about this near ruined state. Again, BOTH FALSE religions AND atheism HAVE FAILED THE WORLD this way, for working their same wish of actual God-independence recommended by Satan in Eden, and just like humanity's first parents FATALLY chose. And again, neither atheism or FALSE religions produce their share of people with actual integrity to the values of truth, true love and true peace. No, indeed, as, besides throughout history, even today, both atheists and FALSE religionists willing share in joint efforts to attack scriptural truth from God Almighty and persons speaking it; and fight side by side on battlefields to even KILL THEIR NEIGHBORS, in sacrifice to their ultimate common god of choice (Satan) and the political entity idols he has set up. So, AS PROVEN, even by the above, NEITHER ATHEISM OR FALSE RELIGION OFFER ANY HOPE TO MANKIND. Again, however, in greatest contrast, Jehovah-Yahweh's scriptural Way DOES, as already PROVEN. We are the bulk of the world's conscientious objectors to war, and have been. We "obey God as ruler rather than men." We're trained to be righteous by Divine instruction from the Holy Scriptures. We have the global unity - by the way of shared LOVE and TRUTH from the ONLY TRUE GOD - already even now that the world in general only ever makes noise about, but never is able to truly, lastingly accomplish. The rest of the world, for the most part - except for the relatively few remaining honest-hearted truth-seekers left - has shown preference to remain just as they are; though often FEIGNING interest in seeking the truth about God, and even more so, FEIGNING willingness to righteously follow-through on that truth as it is presented to them. Again, instead, they have "found what they are looking for" in spiritual APATHY/ complacency; and in LIES that do not disturb their various idolatries. Will Jehovah-Yahweh continue to tolerate such persons though - ones who perenially ONLY PRETEND to honest-heartedly be "looking for" him and spiritual truth; but who are actually greater lovers/worshipers of their own God-condemned practices, convenient and false-prided affiliations, and self-excusing spiritual lies than of God and his will? NO. Though BOTH most FALSE religionists and ATHIESTS jointly mock the WARNING that time is nearly up for people to change their stubborn and unrighteous God-rebellious ways; TRUE worshipers of THIS GOD Jehovah-Yahweh KNOW where we are in the stream of time; and so we do not fail to warn our neighbors that time is nearly, indeed, OVER. As a righteous, loving, and just God, Jehovah-Yahweh has no intention of letting God-rebellious, lie-loving FALSE religionists and atheists together keep on making trouble for those true to him, causing them to suffer injustices. The time for Jehovah-Yahweh to enact his vengeance in behalf of all his loyal ones by way of Armageddon Day is soon. No one on earth will be able to say they were not SERVED WARNING (because TRUE Christians serve that warning). *************** There is much "circular reasoning" that goes on in the thinking of atheists anyway, isn't there? Doesn't it go something like this? "I will say that there is no absolute truth. Therefore, no one can say there is a God with standards. If there is no God with standards, I can do whatever I want, with no accountability. If others point out that my teachings and actions are unrighteous and unjust; I will discern whether they have belief in God. If they do, I will exploit that to my defense. I will tell them that there is no absolute truth, so there is no proof of God, so there is no proof that standard of righteousness and justice. If they insist there is, I will remind them that there is no absolute truth, so there is no proof of God, or that Divine standards of righteousness and justice exist. Therefore, I have free reign to do whatever I wish, and whether it is too selfish or unjust will not matter, it will be up to me myself to determine that. No God, no accountability - do as one wishes, as god onto self. Survival of the "godless" fittest should carry on the species [even if it means selling-out soul to merely live as mindless animals, nothing more]. Should not the warning, however, that stubborn and unrepentant atheistic (along with FALSE religious) rebellion towards God will soon END in permanent execution of such persons (for their unrighteous beliefs and practices) by God and Jesus Christ indeed shout that there is no excuse for such persons to stay in the unrighteous fantasy world of their own closed- circle thinking???? There is no hell as a place of afterlife torment - that is a popular anti-scriptural falsehood eminating from ancient Babylon and shared by many FALSE religions globally. Neither is there "immortality of the soul", which gets to live on in some form, despite what humans chosse to believe and do. There is, instead, the reality that each individual's eternal future rests in the hands of God Almighty. Since he REQUIRES that people not just "believe in" him and his Son (and his role as Ransomer of mankind), but also OBEY his commands and principles in order for them to continue living; the athiest still stuck on even fighting the idea that God exists has not even taken step one towards forming a life-saving relationship with the only one able to protect their own present and future existence. Cheers. Get Your Lies OFF and AWAY from Yahweh's NAME | Reviewer: theresa1 | 12/20/08 "Teresa1, please note that this forum is to review songs - musically and lyrically. It is not a forum akin to a blog or usenet, and it certainly is not meant to be a place for hate-mongering or to write your own personal dissertation on your one of 2,500+ world religions." STEVE - please note that the HOLY, PERSONAL NAME OF MY - NOT YOUR - GOD is not meant to BE BLASPHEMED by either U2 OR the LOT of their fans, who have tried to cheapen what is holy to merely a dog bone to spit on, rip apart, and filthify with the mud of common dying pit spiritual LIES. Which are you? | Reviewer: Steve | 12/19/08 By the way, Teresa1, I'm curious. Going through your ranting deluge of posts, I can't help but notice the number of religions you've espoused...from Trinitarian, Catholic, etc. to Jehovah's Witness. I think perhaps the rest of the readers, given your love of U2, will appreciate it when I say that it seems obvious that you simply "Still Haven't Found What You're Looking For". Again, if people could know God, there wouldn't be all of the need for so many religions to shop through. Hey, what's your take on this? The history of religion begins with polytheism and gradually eliminates the number of gods to one, monotheism. Seemingly effected by Darwinian evolution producing much more sophisticated notions of god, why not just hasten the process? Religious evolution will be complete by simply subtracting one more god. Just a thought. Teresa1 | Reviewer: Steve | 12/19/08 I think you are missing 'Anonymous' point entirely. It was said that your *bickering* makes you and the others look silly, not the subject matter being discussed. He appears to also be making the point that no one can know God except perhaps through personal revelation - which is less than helpful to anyone else's faith except the recipient. Your counter of non sequitur Aquinas personal (read, yours) beliefs, your lack of addressing St Augustine, Descartes and Pascal makes it seem as though you missed the point entirely. Please, when speaking to an atheist, *don't* use bible passages as proof of anything! That is circular reasoning...it makes it that much harder for anyone of faith that follows you to be able to seem intelligent about theology. Yelling (writing in all caps) less is also key. Finally, if you make accusations about the morals of atheists, please provide cites and examples so that it doesn't look like you are simply name-calling. There are plenty to be had. I'm sure a reasonable atheist counter would be to cite and give examples of how theology wears enumerable unspeakable behavioral woes as well. All it amounts to on either side of that argument is that people are people...you just believe and hope that God will forgive your trespasses. Teresa1, please note that this forum is to review songs - musically and lyrically. It is not a forum akin to a blog or usenet, and it certainly is not meant to be a place for hate-mongering or to write your own personal dissertation on your one of 2,500+ world religions. May it be enough that you are content with yours in absolution. As it is, if you want to persuade anyone of anything, you will not get anywhere with your current approach. You are simply making your self feel better...at the expense of your perceived mental facility. Cheers Add Your New Review About The Song By Pages:   1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8