Messes Of Men Lyrics - Mewithoutyou (Me Without You)

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"I do not exist," we faithfully insist,
Sailing in our separate ships and from each tiny caravel.
Tiring of trying, there's a necessary dying,
Like the horseshoe crab in its proper season sheds its shell.
Such distance from our friends,
Like a scratch across the lens,
Made everything look wrong from anywhere we stood.
And our paper blew away before we'd left the bay.
So half-blind, we wrote these songs on sheets of salty wood.

Caught me making eyes at the other boatman's wives,
And heard me laughing louder at the jokes told by their daughters.
I'd set my course for land, but you well understand,
It takes a steady hand to navigate adulterous waters.
The propeller's spinning blades held acquaintance with the waves,
As there's mistakes I've made no rowing could outrun.
The cloth low on the mast, I say I got no past,
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I'm nonetheless the librarian and secretary's son.

The tarnish on my brass, the mildew on my glass-
I'd never want someone so crass as to want someone like me.
But a few leagues off the shore, I bit a flashing lure,
And I assure you, it was not what I expected it to be!
I still tastes its kiss, that dull hook in my lip
Is a memory as useless as a rod without a reel.
To an anchor ever dropped, sea-sick yet still docked,
Captain spotted napping with his first mate at the wheel.

Floating forgetfully along, with no need to be strong,
We keep our confessions long, but when we pray we keep it short.
I drank a thimble full of fire,
I'm not ever coming back...
Oh, my God.

"I do not exist," we faithfully insist,
While watching sink the heavy ship with everything we knew.
And if ever you come near, I'll hold up high a mirror.
Lord, I could never show you anything as beautiful as you!



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re: j | Reviewer: hawk | 12/22/11

so you are saying that because he's a christian, every song he writes is intended to glorify god. i assure you this is not the case. aaron weiss is just a man with strong religious beliefs. what that means is that weiss' music will always be influenced by god because it's so important to him. that doesn't mean that weiss writes only about god and religion. listening to his music with that mindset takes away from ANYTHING he tries to say that he doesn't regard as religious, because it's automatically overlooked and religiously analyzed. that's what happened on this forum. Many if not all before me had this bias, and i just wished to open doors, present fresh perspectives, broaden minds for christ's sake. technically against christ's sake but who's keeping track?



For Anonymous | Reviewer: J | 11/17/11

Weiss doesn't want Mewithoutyou to be called a "Christian band" because that is typically a label saved for those who make crappy music focusing only on things that occur in the walls of a church building. Not to mention that there is no Biblical basis for calling anything "Christian" other than an individual follower of Christ.
Watch this interview and then tell me that Weiss, not the band, is not a Christian who clearly writes words from a Christian perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeNCdNxKVfk&feature=fvwrel



re: | Reviewer: hawk | 11/1/11

i realize weiss is a christian and that my review can also overlook many aspects of the songs intended meaning. i'm not saying my non-poetic detailed analysis of the song is perfect,far from it. in fact, normally i am against myself making such a thorough analysis of any art. i just mean to present my unique perspective to a forum that was being overloaded with religious bias. i couldn't stand idly by as this beautiful masterpiece was laid to waste at the hands of the closed-minded. oh and your input at lines 3-4 is a great example of how perspectives differ but still offer deep meaning, the point i was trying to prove.



for J | Reviewer: Anonymous | 10/31/11

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MewithoutYou

"The Weiss brothers are of Jewish descent and their songs use Jewish, from Muslim and Christian imagery to explore spiritual themes. The Weiss brothers were raised in a Sufi Muslim household—their mother had converted from the Episcopal church, and their father from Judaism.[7] Due to the Christian imagery in some of Aaron Weiss' lyrics, they have been categorized as a Christian band, although in interview, A. Weiss has stated he doesn't think they are a Christian band.[7] Their lyrics reflect a personal relationship with God, and are not evangelistic. Other lyrical themes explored include suffering and self-doubt."




To hawk: | Reviewer: J | 10/13/11

I commend your grand explanation of how you interpret this song. That is all anyone can honestly say about a piece of art, is how he or she responds to it. And very often, especially with great art, there are as many different interpretations as there are listeners/readers/viewers/etc. The interpretations will vary on how similar they are to the feelings, emotions, and thoughts that caused the writer to create the song in the first place.
Every person's personal history - culture, belief systems, religions, education, transportation, family, etc., etc., etc. influence how our minds and bodies translate every piece of information we observe and absorb. Therefore, those who share common or similar personal culture, belief system, etc. would interpret the words in a similar fashion, while someone who grew up in a different culture, religion and class would interpret them far differently.
I say all that to explain that I am not saying your interpretation is wrong. But if you were really searching for the island that is the author's meaning in this song, you got lost at sea and sank by stanza 1.
I determine from your post that you are not a Christian, or religious of any kind. To each his own. But I'd like you to watch this video, at least the first minute or two, I think it applies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY46s8h-E5A
See, I see your confidence in how you interpret this song. But as far as trying to judge its Christian meaning, if you are not a Christian, you are like Aaron trying to prove or disprove a calculus equation. You see only "nods" to Christianity, because those are the few points of the song you understand to be Christian. A Christian man in his mid-20s with a similar background as the writer can likely see every aspect of this song relating to the Christian life. Because, as you'll see if you study up on who Aaron Weiss is and what he believes, the author of these words interprets everything through the eyes of a Christian. Certainly, a non-Christian would interpret them differently, but that doesn't change the words meaning at the point that were written.
The author of this song digs through trash cans and dumpsters for food and clothes. His band travels(ed?) on a bus that runs on used cooking oil. He is open about his Christianity and its influence on his art in every interview I've ever seen. Do you really think you're going to interpret his words, or much of anything else for that matter, similarly to how he does?
So valiant as your, or anyone's, attempt at telling what the author meant by these words may be, it is all in vain. Besides, if he had wanted to write a few hundred words saying what you did, he'd have posted a comment on a lyric site instead of writing a 5-stanza song that's a million times more powerful and meaningful than anything you said in your explanation.
P.S. - Just to point out one thing - lines 3 and 4, doesn't it mean "a necessary death", as in dying, and living on after we leave our bodies "like the horseshoe crab in it's proper season sheds its shell" and then keeps on living.



melancholy punk rock for peter's sultry whores | Reviewer: Anonymous | 7/19/11

Overt thematic elements revolving around god do not necessitate religion.

It's about a girl. So is the cure for pain as is silencer as is gentlemen as is torches together as is a sweater poorly knit as is a market dimly lit as is everything was beautiful as are the spider songs as is leaf as is the sun and the moon as is son of a widow, etc. It's angry, it's wrathful, it's beautiful.



Re: Hawk | Reviewer: Anonymous | 6/23/11

Nice, fresh take on the song I enjoyed. It is, however, far more connected in my opinion to God than it is to any girl or partner he may have had. The last line especially seems more black and white to me, as a closing line and thought of his inferiority before God.



religion? ...my opinion/theory | Reviewer: hawk | 5/3/11

i dont think this song revolves around religion as much as people say it does. i find the metaphors others make regarding religion are shallow and a bit of a stretch.

i see the nods to christianity, however i believe most of the song really portrays his sin and adultery (nod) - and ultimately him trying to run from his sins... and succeeding... however, he can't run from his own thoughts.

if you would indulge me, i would like to explain verse by verse... or stanza by stanza - because whoever wrote this is such a poet and i love him to death lol.

STANZA 1:

"I do not exist... each tiny caravel" (lines 1-2) - The following song does not apply just to me, but to the world. [the next 2 verses are 1st person suggesting that his story tells everyones story]

"Tiring of trying... sheds its shell" (3-4) - we often go so far as to leave the comfort of security and safety just to run from our problems.

"Such distance... wrong from anywhere we stood" (5-7) While he's running, he acknowledges that no matter where he runs to, he still feels pangs of regret, in the form of an uncomfortable feeling being away.

STANZA 2:

"Caught me... their daughters" (1-2) THE SIN - ADULTERY. this is the problem he personally runs from. he doesn't want to deal with the implications [tiring of trying theres a necessary dying]

"I'd set my course... adulterous waters" (3-4) suggests that he doesn't have the "steady hand" [a synonym for "willingness" or perhaps "balls"] to make the trip home. he's too caught up in the "adulterous waters".

"i say i got no past. I'm nonetheless the librarian and secretary's son" (7-8) On the outside he may say that his past doesn't matter, but he obviously knows where he came from, so not only does he have a past, but he hides his past from everyone and everything, running.

STANZA 3:

"The tarnish... someone like me" (1-2) he is an imperfect and impure person, and he doesn't want anyone to love him because he knows that he is, and to love him means to not care about these things, or not know, neither of which he wants for her.

"but a few leagues... expected it to be" (3-4) he took the bait of adultery and didn't expect it to hurt him, or her, but it did.

"I still taste... without a reel" (5-6) he feels the regret of his actions but perhaps feels that his regrets make him weak, which is why he's running. this conflict in emotion is what tears him apart.

"sea-sick yet still docked... first mate at the wheel" (7-8) for a man practiced in the ways of the sea... it is unusual to be sea-sick in the first place. he has been regretting leaving since before he left and his indecision likely had him delaying his departure as much as he could.

STANZA 4:

"Floating forgetfully along with no need to be strong" (1) confirmation. he feels weak in his decision to leave.

"We keep our confessions long, but when we pray, we keep it short" (2) confessions vs. prayers has a dual meaning, also suggesting deeper inward thoughts vs. everyday thoughts. this suggests that in everyday life, we avoid our sins. we avoid our problems. but when it comes down to confession or "deeper inward thinking", a more rare occassion, we think more of our problems simply because we try to avoid our problems in everyday life. i do not think he has any conflict with god. he prays and confesses, and believes, he just doesn't like to think of his own problems so much, saying that we don't pray as intensely about our sins until confession time, in an attempt to run away from them all.

"I drank a thimble full of fire. I'm not ever coming back." (3-4) He feels he's crossed the point of no return.

FINAL STANZA:
"I do not exist, we faithfully insist, while watching sink the heavy ship with everything we knew" (1-2) In contrast to the posts I've read, I do not think this is the turnaround point, where he leaves his old sinful thoughts behind, but rather illustrates the tragic point in his life (with a gentle reminder "we faithfully insist" that says it's not just his life but a large portion of humanity) where he leaves his past behind forever, and finally buries his regrets in the "heavy ship with everything he knew".

but the final line...

"and if ever you come near, i'll hold up high a mirror. lord, i could never show you anything as beautiful as you."

...is the heaviest line. in my interpretation, he is saying that if she ever were to forgive him, if he would ever even see her again, which he doesn't expect to ever happen after this point in his life (where he's buried everything), he would show her that despite everything that has happened, she was always his absolute favorite existence in the entire world and that he really does care about her, despite this grandeur facade he puts up for everyone and everything. he never meant for his actions [he assures her, it was not what he expected it to be] to hurt her. He never wanted to hurt her, so he ran away to avoid the pain she may face. "There's a necessary dying"... in this case, he felt it was necessary for him to die out from her life so that she wouldn't have problems to run away from.

Ummm... sorry if i offended anyone, but i really can't see any weight to connecting this song entirely to religion. I have acknowledged his nods to christianity, but i think the song is more of an inner conflict between hurting his love while staying with her, or running forever and dealing with his own regrets and pain. and of course all the while saying that the world is full of people who run from their problems by trying to erase their own pasts. with a sailor theme. pretty much the most well structured and meaningful and consistently relevant song lyrically i have ever seen, which is why i felt the need to review it this extensively. really an instant classic for me. the lyrics are deep as hell itself. mwY has created an iconic masterpiece that really should go down in history.

hope you like my 1st review evarrr. peace. ;)



Other gods | Reviewer: Anonymous | 9/15/10

I appreciate all of the potential meanings here. As I read through the lyrics though I couldn't help but see the parallel between an adulteress relationship between a man and a woman and between ourselves and the one true God. Either way it is a great song. One thing is for sure, if you are fighting about the meaning then you are wrong. It is this mentality that the band is so against.



Can everyone please read chdang lyric meaning | Reviewer: Anonymous | 8/17/10

I think if everyone read chdang lyrical meanings no one would have questions about if he is confused with who God is. ex. Theory/Opinion | Reviewer: Rowan | 2/27/09 "Here I think he's trying to point out how Christians blindly follow religion traveling off into the world spreading God's "word".And because of God and his word wars have been fought,innocent people have died just because they think differently." You could not be more wrong or simple minded by stating this



Lust at Sea | Reviewer: Luke Donahue | 10/10/09

The message I get out of the song is that the Author describes a sin he struggles with. Lust of the flesh - i.e. "You caught me making eye, at the other boatman's wifes". The song describes how lusting has led to him having regrets in his life, and that real beauty is found in God, not man. The fact that the song is written from a boatman's viewpoint, adds to the interestingness of the lyrics



___ | Reviewer: () | 9/18/09

>>>lulz, first off, good christian gentlemen? they're of jewish decent. weiss's mom converted to sufi. their songs encorporate judeo-christian themes. they don't consider themselves a christian band. "Weiss has stated he doesn't think they are a Christian band. Their lyrics reflect a personal relationship with God, and are not evangelistic. Other lyrical themes explored include suffering and self-doubt." do any of you use google, or do you just spit out whatever fits fine and fuzzy next to your hearts.



Long Story Short | Reviewer: Anonymous | 8/4/09

Ok first of all. The mewithoutYou crew are decent Christian gentlemen who write beautiful lyrics about God, sin, love, etc. They are not about Christian mysticism, Christian Science, or Christian Existientialism. They are about the good Lord.

Clearly & obviously, Messes of Men is about sin. And I completely agree with Chdang. The lyrics seem even deeper (not that they're not because they ARE) because Aaron is a superb writer. He majored in English & is qualified to teach at college level.



As a HUGE mwY fan... | Reviewer: Amber | 6/21/09

A LOT of mewithoutYou's lyrics make sense if you check out some personal info on the band, especially Aaron. The albumn "Brother, Sister", which this song is from, has a lot to do with deep spirituality comparable to Christian mysticism. The main message of the albumn is that nothing-especially us-exsists. God is all there is. "Messes of Men" is a great opener for the albumn. It sets up the situation we're all in in some way of another. I don't want to get all worked up over what the song is about (mwY wouldn't want that!), just do a bit of reasearch and it'll make sense. It's a very mature albumn that digs deep in the soul. It changes my life. Put on your waiters.



review | Reviewer: Chdang | 4/8/09

"I do not exist," we faithfully insist, - "I'm nothing without God"

Sailing in our separate ships and from each tiny caravel. - doing things with our own strength not depending on God (tiring of trying, unnecessary dying)

Such distance from our friends,
Like a scratch across the lens,
Made everything look wrong from anywhere we stood. - blinded to the Truth

Caught me making eyes at the other boatman's wives,
And heard me laughing louder at the jokes told by their daughters. - felt the conviction for committing adultery

I'd set my course for land, but you well understand, (speaking to God)
It takes a steady hand to navigate adulterous waters. - (lead us not into temptation)

The propeller's spinning blades held acquaintance with the waves, (in adulterous waters)
As there's mistakes I've made no rowing could outrun. - sins and mistakes you made will catch up to you

I'm nonetheless the librarian and secretary's son. - he's an ordinary man

The tarnish on my brass, the mildew on my glass -
I'd never want someone so crass as to want someone like me - he felt unclean, sinful and unworthy of God's love

But a few leagues off the shore, I bit a flashing lure,
And I assure you, it was not what I expected it to be! - pretty worldly things that we idol (lust after) and are "hooked" on

I still tastes its kiss, that dull hook in my lip - past mistakes that still hurt (maybe past relationships)

Is a memory as useless as a rod without a reel.
To an anchor ever dropped, sea-sick yet still docked, - useless to look back on things we can't change, useless like a rod without a reel, anchor not dropped, feel "sea-sick" but still at the same spot

Captain spotted napping with his first mate at the wheel. - going nowhere

Floating forgetfully along, with no need to be strong,
We keep our confessions long, but when we pray we keep it short. - going with the flow of the world, too much self-pity and too little time in prayer

I drank a thimble full of fire,
I'm not ever coming back...
Oh, my God. - a small portion of God's Spirit made him leave his old self (talking to God)

"I do not exist," we faithfully insist,
While watching sink the heavy ship with everything we knew. - letting go his past and things he thought was right (worldly knowledge is nothing comparing with God's wisdom)

And if ever you come near, I'll hold up high a mirror.
Lord, I could never show you anything as beautiful as you! - his humble and contrite heart before God




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